Team Information
Blue Horizon

About the Problem

One-Line Problem Summary

According to our survey respondents, homelessness is a problem in our community.

Context & Problem Description

According to our survey data, 135 out of 408 survey respondents stated "homelessness" as their problem in our community. 101 out of 135 thought that homelessness was the primary problem. According to SAMHSA, "Homelessness is any persons lacking a fixed regular and adequate night time residence." Additionally, according to, "homelessness is a global challenge." Therefore our community, is not the only place facing this kind of humanitarian problem.

Problem Category


How did you identify this problem? (Research, Interviews, etc.)

We first created a survey of 6 questions using Survey Monkey. Each of these questions was designed to determine the respondent's connection to the community, determine a problem and solution from the perspective of the respondent's, and gauge the importance of the problem. Next, a link was sent out to community members through websites, social media, email, and text. We also showed up to various businesses and organizations to personally speak with folks about their concerns.

Problem Details

Are you currently enrolled at Barstow Community College?


Who are those affected by this problem? (Provide detailed information including statistics, demographics, etc.)

According to, our community has a population of 26,249 (52% Hispanic, 21% White, 13.3% Black- 135 survey respondents (open to mixed demographics) stated as being affected by homelessness.

How often does this problem occur?

Our survey data shows the homeless on the streets being consistent for "years". However, some respondents stated they "don't feel safe", and "always have a fear" in our community bringing the idea that homeless interaction issues occur often.

How long has the problem been going on?

According to our survey data, 402 out of 408 responded to the time frame of this problem. 1/402 stated "days", 3/402 "weeks", 19/402 "months", and 357/402 "years". We allowed an "other" choice and interpreted more info to be "years" in 369/402.

How is the problem disrupting your community?

Survey respondents stated, homeless are "sleeping on the streets", "coming into our yards", "leaving trash", "vandalizing", "begging", "harassing", committing "crimes", and residents "don't feel safe". Some residents feel "sad" about situation.

Is the issue perceived as a problem by the community at large?

Our community pop. is 26,249. We received 135 respondents (0.51% of pop.) concerned with homelessness. 26,114 people did not respond or did not find homelessness as a problem. Therefore, the community at large did not show homelessness was a problem.

Is the problem limited to certain geographic areas?

According to our survey respondents, old empty buildings, streets, parks, desert, riverbed, sidewalk, business areas, everywhere in Main street, downtown, at stores, parking lots, gas stations, around neighborhoods, public areas, restaurants, grocery stores, churches, public restrooms, were various locations pointed out by respondents to where homeless have been witnessed to reside. According to our team's personal observations, we identified restaurants, around stores, baseball field dugouts, around the river bottom, Main St. sidewalk, train station, and abandoned buildings as various locations where the homeless reside. According to our online research, some of the areas with homeless were parks (, abandoned buildings (, and vehicles ( We found a correlation between the survey data, our observations, and online research. Although there were areas located on the outskirts of the city, the main correlation where the homeless reside are areas in the city closest to good samaritans, food, water, and shelter. The city provides more opportunity for homeless folks to ask for financial and survival necessities (food/water). Additionally, the city churches and other support programs provide free clothing and food at different times throughout the week. Homeless folks also have access to discarded items (food, drink, clothing, bedding, entertainment, etc...) in dumpsters and trashcans located around businesses throughout the community, but mainly along Main Street. In turn, these locations, or geographical areas, make sense as living closer to the city allows for less distance to travel and easier access to necessities. According to our surveys, personal observations, and online research, abandoned buildings have been a problem for some time in our community (Daily Press), especially towards Main street. Although many of the abandoned building are boarded up, folks still find a way to access the buildings and use it for shelter, substance abuse, etc... This leads to unsafe living conditions, criminal activity, and fires (Folks trying to stay warm on a cold night). Another important geographical data point is the community itself in compared to other communities surrounding it. Community X is part of a larger desert community surrounded by multiple cities. According to a local newspaper, the Daily Press, Community X (Pop. 26,249) is second in the highest number of homeless folks in the desert communities at 103 (This is a drop from 108 over the past couple of years, which is the data we used for this study). Community Adam had the most homeless at 455 (Pop. 135,950), Community Baker 53 (Pop. 100, 971), Community Charlie 27 (Pop. 76,224), Community David 25 (Pop. 38,118), Community Edward 1 (Pop. 13,859), and Community Frank 0 (Pop. 1,014). Community X has a much lower population than the communities ranking 3-5, but Community X still has almost two times or more homeless than the other communities with higher populations.

Who are the Stakeholders, those wanting this problem to be fixed?

Of the 134 respondents to Q3 (Connection to community?), the "residents" (75%), "employed in community" (8.2%), "residents to surrounding areas" (11.2%), "visitors" (1.5%), "travelers" (1.5%), and previous residents (3%), wanted the problem fixed.

Solution Overview

Solution Name

Get Them Back on Their Feet

One-Line Solution Summary

Provide the "Housing First" model with Social Services for Safety and Security.

Solution Pitch (This is your Elevator Pitch)

We would like to provide a "Housing First" model, but also include a key factor of social services to create a "safe and secure" environment to increase the chance of recovery.

Solution Description

After almost 5 months of research (Season 1 and 2), networking and collaborating with our local NPO, our City's Committee on Homelessness, and one of the world's most successful NPOs in Finland, we recommend the following plan: 1)Apply for grants for funding, 2)Purchase land, apartments, and housing, 3)Prepare social services for recovery, 4)Find willing participants, 5)Provide "Housing First" and social services, 6)Provide education opportunities, and 7)Provide employment opportunities.

Team Leader Email (College/Organization/Etc.)

Solution Details

How long have you been working on your solution?

Started working on solution since Season 1 Jan. 23, 2023-March 26. Continued Aug. 26, 2023 until application submission on Nov 10, 2023. Met at various times of the week researching, networking, collaborating, and volunteering.

How/Why are you and your team well-positioned to deliver this solution?

We are well-positioned due to our Season 1 in depth research, our partnership with our city's local NPO, our collaboration with our city's committee on homelessness, and our collaboration with one of the world's most successful NPOs on homelessness.

What steps have you taken to understand the needs of the population you want to serve?

To understand the needs of our pop., we surveyed/interviewed our community (Season 1), volunteered (local) & collaborated with expert NPO organizations (local/international) on homelessness, and collaborated with city and community leaders.

Which aspects of the problem does your solution most closely address?

Our solution most closely addresses getting the homeless population into "Housing First" to allow for "safety and security" in addition to social services to increase the chances of recovery.

What is your solution's current stage of development?

We have collaborated with our local NPO partner on our plan. We have also sent in our proposal (Nov. 8) to the city and community leaders to show full backing of our city's vision to support the homeless population. Currently waiting for response.

Implementing Phase

What is your implementation plan?

We will work with local city and community leaders, as well as our local NPO partner for approval of the implementation of our plan. We are currently waiting for a response from the City Committee on Homelessness for approval to move forward.

How many people do you plan to serve in the next year?

Depending on available resources/supports, a conservative, but optimistic number would be 27 folks. This is a quarter of the 108. If the population remained at 108, and we successfully get 27 back on their feet, then we could be completed in 4 years.

What are your 6-month and 12-month goals?

Grant applications can take six months to a year to be awarded. We could potentially receive grant money in six months and purchase live in quarters in the next six months. Our goal is to get folks into "Housing First" in 12-24 months.

What barriers currently exist for you to accomplish your goals in the next year?

Main barriers are Funding and locating available property. We need funding to purchase property, apartments, homes, and to hire professionals with expertise in social services to provide "safety & security" to increase the probability of recovery.

How do you plan to overcome these barriers?

We plan to overcome these barriers by collaborating with our partner NPO and City Committee on Homelessness by searching/applying for grants. Additionally, the search for property, apartments, and homes will continue until funds are available.

How are you measuring or planning to measure your progress toward your goals?

1)Funding 6 mos. 2)Purchase prop., apart., and homes 6 mos. 3)Prepare social services for recovery 6 mos. 4)Find participants 6 mos. 5)Move into "Housing First" 6 mos. 6)Prov. Education 6 mos. 7)Prov. Employment opportunities 6 mos. Abt. 3.5 Years

Do you currently partner with any individuals/organizations?


How are you working with them?

We work with our local NPO by volunteering at various times (mainly Friday morn.) to organize clothing and package various foods for distribution to those in need in our community. We also collaborate about ideas to support the homeless community.

Data and research from Season 1 Challenge 1 was included in Season 1 and Season 2 Challenge 2. Season 1 Challenge 1 and Challenge 2 data, research, experiences, and recommendations. For this study, we used a mixed method of collecting both quantitative and qualitative data for our research following the process of “triangulation” to increase the validity and reliability of results (Sagor, 2000). For the quantitative data, we analyzed previously collected homeless data, unofficial interviews, personal observations, and survey responses provided by the community. For the survey questions, we used multiple choice and open-ended questions. Due to time constraints, research on survey respondents data took place from 1/23/2023 to 2/6/23. Survey Questions including Raw data for multiple choice: Q1: What is your connection to the community of X? 70.94% (288) Resident (I live in the Community) 10.10% (41) Employed (I work in the Community of X or surrounding area) 8.87% (36) Resident to Surrounding Area 1.72% (7) Visitor (Stayed for a short period in the community of X) 1.23% (5) Traveler (Passing through the community of X) 7.14% (29) Other (Please specify) Total (406) Q2: What is an ongoing problem in the community of X that has made it difficult for you and others? Q3: How has this problem made it difficult for you and others in the community of X? Q4: How long has this problem been continuing for? 0.25% (1) Days 0.75% (3) Weeks 4.73% (19) Months 88.81% (357) Years 5.47% (22) Other Total (402) Q5: Do you recommend a solution, or answer, to solve the ongoing problem in the community of X? Q6: Have you brought the problem up to any community of X leaders? 30.73% (122) Yes 60.20% (239) No 9.07% (36) Other (Please Specify) Total (397) Q6: Interpreted Data for "Other-Please specify". Positive responses: (11) Pointed out specific leaders in the community or places they they informed. Negative responses: (12) Examples- "It would go in deaf ears", "discussed before but no results", "wouldn't change a thing", "go through one ear and come out of the other", "no one in a leadership position in our community listens", that's just the way it always has been", "people brought it to the city... and it got shot down", and "they are the problem". The use of surveys provided our team with incredible data from the community. There may have been more responses that pointed towards homelessness as a community problem, however we chose only those surveys that we clearly interpreted as specifically focused on homelessness. Additionally, we had the same issue with determining the solution and only chose those responses that we clearly interpreted as a solution specifically focused on homelessness. Although many of the respondents (28% or 34 out of 122) stated a shelter was needed to support the homeless, we felt that this was only a temporary solution. If we wanted to get these folks "back on their feet", we would need to get them into affordable housing under their own income. Season 2 Challenge 2 data, research, and experiences, and recommendations. As a result of the data and research, our Season 1 Challenge 1 Team concluded homelessness as the main problem/concern in the community. To plan a solution, our Season 2 Challenge 2 Team needed to network and collaborate with experts in the subject of homelessness. On Aug. 26, 2023, our team started the season by reviewing our Season 1 research and data and focused on searching for successful organizations and programs that were successful in reducing the number of homelessness in the community. Our Partnership began on Sept. 10, 2023 as we invited the director of our local NPO to present to us her organization and it's purpose in the community. On that same day, she invited us to volunteer to get more hands-on learning experiences about the community her organization serves. For the past three months, Blue Horizon has been volunteering about every other Friday morning working at the local NPO's warehouse taking delivery of various foods, and other supplies and packaging them in boxes, crates, and bags to be handed out to community members in need. Additionally, the team was invited to the organization's transitional housing complex to unbox and organize clothing for additional folks in need. The NPO's "A Hand Up, Not A Hand Out" has made a huge impact on our team's determination to get these folks "back up on their feet". Our team is currently planned to support the NPO's Thanksgiving outreach of turkeys and ham. The director also invited Blue Horizon to be a part of the city's committee on homelessness. We attended on Sept. 13 to learn about the committee and it's purpose to supporting the homeless community. We have included the notes below for the first meeting. We were also able to share our research from Season 1 Challenge 1 regarding the homeless shower situation at one of the churches. We pitched the idea of having a portable shower to support more of the homeless population in areas with a higher population of homeless. Unfortunately, our schedules were busy for the next two meetings on Oct. 11 and Nov. 8 as Blue Horizon was already scheduled for volunteering to support a local school's Haunted House event and performing arts production. However, we did put together two presentation's (Below) that were presented by the director of the local NPO and head of City Committee on Homelessness to both of those meetings. Our research led us towards Finland as being one of the most successful countries in the world in reducing homelessness. We decided to contact the Finland Consulate. The consulate in NYC responded providing us information about "Housing First" and then pointing us towards one of the country's NPOs. After a handful of emails and messages, the dialogue stopped, which pushed us to find another NPO. This led us to the second NPO, which we scheduled an online meeting with at 3 am. As our local NPO, city, and community leaders have taken Blue Horizon under their wings, we decided it was time to give back and invite them to our meeting. This is where the Head of International Affairs presented his organizations purpose, statistics, and effect on the homeless population. We also learned that this organization was also part of the advisory board for the UK's homeless reduction program under one of the Royals. We still contact the Finland NPO through email when we have relevant questions to our community's needs. Blue Horizon has also networked with two new contacts through community leaders that are planning a meeting with other county leaders in the social services department and homeless departments to collaborate on our plan to reduce homelessness and how Blue Horizon and these other departments can support each other. After all of these experiences, we defined "reducing the number of homelessness" as getting folks "back on their feet" so they would become self-sufficient and integrated back into society under their own independent decision making as they further themselves away for social services. Our original plan for a solution from Season 1 was similar to our current Season 2 Challenge 2 plan. However, after discussions and collaborations with our local partner NPO, the city and community leaders in the city committee meeting on homelessness, and one of the world's most successful NPOs in Finland, we decided to change the order. Originally, we focused on managing homeless first, i.e. provide portable showers/bathrooms, job and career education, and employment opportunities before moving folks into housing. However, we felt that trying to get "back on their feet" would be difficult given that they would still be on the street with no "safety and security". Questions remained: How could they focus on education and a job if they had no place for their belongings? How could they focus on maintaining a job when they would be wondering about where they would be sleeping that night and where they would be getting food from? After further research, we decided to change the order and bring a sense of "safety and security" by recommending the "Housing First" method while including social services to increase the chances of recovery. After reading research, analyzing data (A Home of Your Own, 2017), and speaking with the Head of International Affairs' NPO in Finland, we decided the following order to have a higher probability of success for the homeless community; Phase 1: preparing funds, housing, and social services first, then Phase 2: Move willing participants into "Housing First" with available social services, and finally, Phase 3: provide education and job/career opportunities to allow them to get "back on their feet". Only 10 students returned to Team Blue Horizon for Season 2 Challenge 2 and provided assistance in some part in the creation of this project. Each student read, wrote, pitched ideas, raised questions, met before/after school for additional support, created questions for collaboration, spoke with city and community leaders, analyzed data, volunteered in community outreach, helped fill out questions on the SolveCC application, and assisted in the final presentation of the video. Disclaimer: To protect our community, we used "Community X" as a pseudonym for our community. We have also not included certain links or changed part of the the links that included research in our community. However, we can give SolveCC the links upon request. We can also provide pictures of team notes, videos of our experiences, etc... upon request. Notes from Sept. 13 City Committee Meeting on Homelessness FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING, FUNDING!!!!!!! Person and Person Interagency council on homelessness Housing for at least 90 days CD regional access point Victor valley family resource center – call 211 to get the need to the individuals in need 2 pm on Oct. 10 at council chambers for next meeting. (Person presented this info) Funding for 10 by 10 for $14,000 to 15,000 solar powered Pallet program with modular homes (City Business Guy) Committee comments then breakout session Go to the college library to use computers for research at $11,000 public library as well. County Supervisor get funding? Mobile food pantry $357,000 ended Oct 22 served 18,127 High desert second chance Can we get those stats from Person? Diaper distribution • Place served 71 families/individuals o Apartments need painting/flooring o Oct. 27? What is that date? • Person o Vaccination clinic o Spay and neuter o The homeless population shows up with crates of cats and dogs o They’ll provide no cost to low cost spay and neuter (Homeless can show up with no questions asked) o The animal shelter has a contract with the city. In negotiations. • Person (Public comment) Place College o Food pantry o Free breakfast, lunch, and snacks • Person (Place) No questions asked o Bring water o Giveaway at the church • Person o Oct. Domestic violence and awareness month o OCt. 24 candle vigil “Everyone knows someone” o 1st and main o Open House on Oct. 18 • Business Manager Resource Package o Homeless o Homeless Veterans o Homeless Students o Where do we put the bulletin board to inform the homeless? • Person (Place Church of Christ) o Help outreach o Insurance for bus o Thursday’s from 6-8 pm. 16 in a night use 8 to 10 on average o 4 showers in the female side and 4 • Place o Voucher program o The government is doing better with grant programs. • What does it take to get a homeless veteran into their facility? • Emergency motel voucher program? • They’re licensed for 400 beds, but only 200 are being used. • Food bank? (Person) • 9-11 am on Saturday at First and Main • Socktober Blue Horizon contribution to City Committee on Homelessness on Oct.11 Property (Rylan, Charlene) • Property is needed for Homeless residents (tents, modulars (Portable/Permanant) • Requirements • 4-5 acres • Near resources (public transportation, markets, restrooms, food, water, etc...) • Affordable for purchase using grant funding/donations, and continued funding for property tax. • Property • $100 (10 Acres up for auction starting at $1/acre) at 0 Place Rd. Place, CA (MLS#: AR23177828) Click here for link to site. • Pros: Large land property at low price. • Cons: Long distance from necessities (food, clothing, etc...) • $9,900 (2.5 acres) near Woodham Ave. In Place, Ca. (MLS#: HD23080604). Click here for link to site. • Pros: Closer to necessities. • Cons: Smaller property. • $9,500 (10 acres) near Power Line Rd. Place, Ca. (MLS#: HD23025650). Click here for link to site. • Pros: Larger property at lower price. • Cons: Long distance from necessities. Modulars (Orion, Larissa, Mariah, Rylan)• Funding for 10 by 10 for $14,000 to $15,000 with solar power (Source: Meeting Sept. 13) • Option 1 • Chery Industrial • Click here for link to site. • Funding for 10 by 10 for $14,000 to $15,000 with solar power (Source: Meeting Sept. 13) • Option 2 • Renu Foundation • Click here for link to site. Funding for 10 by 10 for $14,000 to $15,000 with solar power (Source: Meeting Sept. 13) • Option 2 • Operation Tiny Tribute • Click here for link to site. Portable Shower/Restrooms (Vivienne, Sophia, Melody) • Two main congregation areas • 2nd and Main Street (Source: Person) • East Main by County Building (Source: Person) • Church of Christ • Thursdays from 6pm-8pm with 4 female/4 male showers serving about 8-10 homeless on average (Source: Meeting Sept. 13) • 2nd and Main St. is about 1 mile away from Church (Source: Google Maps) • East Main St. Mall is about 3 miles away from Church (Source: Google Maps) Distance is a factor is serving the Homeless. 1 mile and 3 miles is a long way to travel, especially if one must carry all of their belongings. Portable Shower/Restrooms (Vivienne, Sophia, Melody) • Purchasing a portable shower/restroom could serve more of the homeless population if the resources were closer to their locations. • Inspiration • Shower of HOPE • Click here for the link to site. Purchasing a portable shower/restroom could serve more of the homeless population if the resources were closer to their locations. • Option 1 • Portable Restroom/Shower Trailer • Click here for the link to site. • Purchasing a portable shower/restroom could serve more of the homeless population if the resources were closer to their locations. • Option 2 • Portable Restroom/Shower Trailer with laundry • Click here for the link to site. Grant Funding (Maddisyn, Evelyn) • We need grants to purchase property, modulars, and portable shower/restrooms. • Option 1 • Walmart Community Grants Min. $250 and Max. of $5000. • Areas of funding fit our needs. • Click here to access grant site. We need grants to purchase property, modulars, and portable shower/restrooms. • Option 2 • Homeless Housing Assistance and Prevention Grant Program (HHAP) • Areas of funding fit our needs. • Click here to access grant site. We need grants to purchase property, modulars, and portable shower/restrooms. • Option 2 • Homeless Housing Assistance and Prevention Grant Program (HHAP) • Areas of funding fit our needs. • Click here to access grant site. We need grants to purchase property, modulars, and portable shower/restrooms. • Option 2 • Homeless Housing Assistance and Prevention Grant Program (HHAP) • Areas of funding fit our needs. • Click here to access grant site. Blue Horizon contribution to City Committee on Homelessness Nov. 8 International Meeting with Finland’s NPO • Met with Head of International Affairs, at 3am as Finland is 10 hours ahead of city. • Meeting was 1.5 hours long. • Discussed • Finland’s motivation for eliminating homelessness. • Finland’s progress since mid 1980s. • NPO ability to provide affordable housing. • Click here for Link to International meeting video Blue Horizon’s Recommendations After about 5 months of research, partnering with local NPO, collaborating with meeting city and community leaders, and collaborating with the NPO in Finland, Blue Horizon recommends the following: 1. Apply for Grants for Funding. 2. Purchase land, apartments, and housing. 3. Prepare social services for recovery. 4. Find willing participants. 5. Move participants into “Housing First” and provide social services. 6. Provide Education Opportunities. 7. Provide Opportunities for Employment 1) Apply for Grants for Funding Grant Challenges • Take from 6 months to a year for notification of award. • Competitive • Have a period of time from award to when funds are supposed to be utilized. • Finding writers • Questions for Committee: • Is there an implementation plan for action? For instance, is the plan to create tiny homes? If so, by when does the committee believe this community will be ready? How many homeless does this community intend to serve? • What grants should Blue Horizon familiarize themselves with to contribute? 2) Purchase Land, Apartments, and Housing • According to Head of International Affairs, • You can’t have “Housing First”, until you have housing first. • Blue Horizon agrees • Living in a home can build a sense of ”safety and security”, which increases their chances of recovery. • Governor's Tiny Home Project • Click here for the article. 30 million for 1200 houses estimates to about $25,000 per house. Some of that money probably goes to other costs. • We believe Pallet Shelter is the company assisting in this project as we saw a logo on one of the images provided online. 3) Prepare Social Services for Recovery • According to head of international affairs, a significant decrease occurred in about 2002- 2003 as a result of implementing social services to support the homeless. • These services also reduced the number of long-term homelessness. 4) Find Willing Participants • At the first Homeward Bound meeting, someone had mentioned putting a board in an area accessible by the homeless population to keep them updated on available services. • This is a great place to spread the word through the homeless community that affordable housing and social services will be available for willing participants. • Concerns: • If we send out this flare of assistance, will it pull more homeless to our community? Maybe? According to head of international affairs, this did not happen in Helsinki, where homelessness is no longer visible on the streets (Pop. 631,695). Since the mid 1980s, the homeless population has decreased from over 18,000 to about 3,600. 5) Move participants into “Housing First” and provide social services. • According to Head of International Affairs, • More long term homeless had a higher chance of recovery when presented with social services to help support their mental and health needs. • Blue Horizon agrees • Living in a home increases your chances of recovery. 6) Provide Education Opportunities. • Educational opportunities involving skills for job and career readiness increases confidence for homeless folks to take initiative and become more independent and less dependent on social services. • Side note: There are a lot of retired teachers looking to put their skills back in the game. This would also be a great opportunity for liberal arts college students to earn credit in becoming a teacher. 7) Provide Opportunities for Employment • Opportunity for employment allows individuals to earn their own income and pay for their own responsibilities. Again, another opportunity to become more independent and less dependent on social services. • According to Head of International Affairs, , stated that these types of services motivated folks to leave drug and alcohol dependency because they are consistently busy being productive in their lives. To be clear, we defined "reducing the number of homelessness" as getting folks "back on their feet" so they would become self-sufficient and integrated back into society under their own independent decision making as they further themselves away for social services. Our original plan for a solution from Season 1 was similar to our current Season 2 Challenge 2 plan. However, after discussions and collaborations with our local partner NPO, the city and community leaders in the city committee meeting on homelessness, and one of the world's most successful NPOs in Finland, we decided to change the order. Originally, we focused on managing homeless first, i.e. provide portable showers/bathrooms, job and career education, and employment opportunities before moving folks into housing. However, we felt that trying to get "back on their feet" would be difficult given that they would still be on the street with no "safety and security". Questions remained: How could they focus on education and a job if they had no place for their belongings? How could they focus on maintaining a job when they would be wondering about where they would be sleeping that night and where they would be getting food from? After further research, we decided to change the order and bring a sense of "safety and security" by recommending the "Housing First" method while including social services to increase the chances of recovery. After reading research, analyzing data (A Home of Your Own, 2017), and speaking with the Head of International Affairs' NPO in Finland, we decided the following order to have a higher probability of success for the homeless community; Phase 1: preparing funds, housing, and social services first, then Phase 2: Move willing participants into "Housing First" with available social services, and finally, Phase 3: provide education and job/career opportunities to allow them to get "back on their feet". emz-gfar-bmg (2023-10-24 03:04 GMT-7) - Transcript Attendees Jason Dokie, Rylan Dokie, Maddisyn Reyes, Sophia Witte, Melody Delgado, Mariah Perez, Orion Zepeda, Charlene Thomas, Angela Pasco, Juha Kahila's Presentation Transcript This editable transcript was computer generated and might contain errors. People can also change the text after it was created. Jason Dokie: All right, guys. Say good morning. It's 3am over here, they're not doing so well. Juha Kahila: Yeah, I can feel you guys hang in there. Good morning,… Jason Dokie: Right on. Juha Kahila: our good night, I don't know which way to say it. Jason Dokie: All right, sir, whatever you're ready. Juha Kahila: Okay, so, good morning or good night, whenever my name is Juha Kahila, and I'm the head of the international affairs here at the Y Foundation of Finland. And I heard that you have done. Quite excellent things, regarding homelessness, and how you have compete with the colleges and those kind of things in this project. And I must say that I'm really impressed and I'm happy that you have chosen homelessness to be one of those issues that needs to be tackled in there, more in society. Juha Kahila: and my idea for today is to give you a, I wouldn't say brief, but, quite comprehensive presentation about the work. We are doing here at the Y Foundation and then about the whole business and housing, first work in Finland overall. And then I know from James that you have read the home of your own for many hours. And I hope you have only easy questions regarding that the presentation and we have time to have those at the end. And then, of course, good conversation and any dick between and then, at any time, feel free to interrupt me if you miss me something on it, don't understand something. Just raise your hand. I think there's Some variant, the Google I'm not that used to Google meet but I try my best. but if you have seven people there under the city official, I would love to have a short introduction. Who I'm speaking. Jason Dokie: Here. Thank you. Jason Dokie: Ms. There's no passcode with New Hope, Village transitional housing for homes, valleys and individuals. More stuff. Juha Kahila: Nice to meet. Jason Dokie: Good morning. Jason Dokie: Okay, Mr. Haul we're ready to go. Juha Kahila: Okay. Juha Kahila: Let's I try to share my screen. Juha Kahila: Can you see something? Okay, so easy one. Jason Dokie: Yes, it says how to end homelessness. Juha Kahila: Okay, good, because I can only see the black screen. So if the slides don't move or something else, weird happened, just let me know and I try to fix it in every way I can, But yeah,… Jason Dokie: Sounds good. Juha Kahila: of course, yeah, of course. But the title is how it went homelessness. Yeah. Sounds easy, should be easy, but we all know in Europe and globally. It happens to be quite difficult at these days. But, I try to Give a short story about the work we have done in Finland. What are the future plans? What has been the big successes the failures of course the challenges and everything between and hopefully you will get some more information regarding the home of your own book and then we have like I said good time for questions and conversation Let's see I try to make this move. Juha Kahila: You see the second slide just making sure? Yes, good. Jason Dokie: Yes. Juha Kahila: So here's a picture. From Finland in 1980s. It's from the capital city Helsinki. and back in the days and still today, the winners can be quite harsh. So the temperature can be minus 25 degrees below zero. And then, back in the days, we had 20,000 homeless people. And then, every winter literally many people were dying on the streets. That was the truth. True then, and Already back then. The politicians knew that something has to change. We can't have people dying on the streets, and then that was the starting point to Wife Foundation as well when we were founded in 1985. Juha Kahila: do Y, Foundation housing first since 1985, even though we invented Finnish housing, first, 2007. but we like to think that we have been doing housing first already 1985, because in our apartments, it doesn't matter if you have addiction meant that problems, some other things, The meeting is that you will get the home and then the support you need. But here are the founding members. I think the main thing here is that the five biggest cities in Finland have been and are still members of the Wife Foundation, they are on the board and then They knew in 1985 that they need some kind of non-political foundation. To acquire apartments for people in need. And that's why Foundation was founded back in 1985. He had a six apartments all together and then, of course, from there, we have crowd quite a bit. 00:05:00 Juha Kahila: So this is what we do at the moment. So we are Finland's. Fourth largest landlord we have around 19,000 apartments. And then it of 11,000, is affordable rental housing for low-income people, single parents, divorced, parents, and those kind of things and then housing for special groups. We have around 8,000 apartments and mainly that means housing for homeless people or those who are on the edge of becoming homes. and then we'll do a lot of advocacy work. So we try to, of course, load the decision makers and politicians and everyone in between to make sure that we keep the good trend alive here in Finland. Where the number of homeless people has been decreasing for many, many years in a row, Juha Kahila: And then of course, later on, I will talk about the future challenges because we have a new government and those kind of things which may affect on our work as well. Especially the homelessness work, I think. Juha Kahila: Even though we are a landlord, we are quite unique in that sense that we have this development unit, where I work for example, and we run different kind of projects around homelessness. We've had projects around women, homelessness, loneliness, utahness. And then we also coordinate the National Housing First Network, which brings together all day, all the different stakeholders in the homelessness sector and beyond. So there is their Local authorities politicians decision makers, landlords service providers. And CEOs people with experience also the current homeless people and so on. So it really brings together all the different people who can develop the work together. And that's the main thing. why we have been quite successful in Finland that we always do things together? because we know that when you have the ownership when Juha Kahila: Your develop something, it's easier to do those things in the future as well. And then we also have a research team of our own. So we have four researchers doing different kind of research around, not only homelessness and housing first but affordable housing housing and then carbon neutrality etc and not only in Finland but also globally with our network Juha Kahila: we have these two streams of housing. So why homes is the harm homes meant for homeless people? and then empty homes. it's like the normal affordable. So, soul house. Jason Dokie: You haul when you're talking about flats you're talking about homes, correct? Juha Kahila: Yes. Yes always homes permanent homes. Juha Kahila: And then here is So we Build homes and then we buy homes from private market and then this is how we finance toasting. I'm not specialist in financing but I have been able to put this slides together so I can share this much but basically it's loans from banks and then we have some own capital we can use. But the main thing here is the Housing Finance and Development Center of Finland which is able to provide us interest subsidy from the state which means that when we get the loan from bank it's for a long time, usually it's a 40 year loan and the interest rate is lower compared to market prices because we have the state currently. Backing us up. Juha Kahila: And then when we buy the apartment from the free market, then we get 50% loan from the bank. And then there is this other org state organization, funding Center for Social Welfare and Health Organizations in Finland. And from then we get grant money every year and the grant can vary between, sometimes we get nothing, sometimes we can get 10 million euros, so it varies a lot. But that means that if apartment, for example costs 100,000 euros, we can use 50,000 from the current money and then we use $50,000 of our own money to buy the apartment. And that way, we can keep the rent level low for people. Juha Kahila: and then in Finland, everyone pays the rent by themself, Of course it varies how you paid. so for example, if you have been three Thomas for many years, that means that you don't have any income of your own. So you can claim the social benefits and then that way you can pay the rent. So you get the housing benefits. And then the supplementary assistance, and housing benefit, which means that, the benefits covers your rent, And then you should have at least 500 euros for your everyday living for a month, which means that you buy the groceries and the medicines and those kind of things yourself as well. 00:10:00 Jason Dokie: Haul you have a drop off there in 2002-2003. Is there a reason why it seems like there's a significant drop off right there? Jason Dokie: Okay. Jason Dokie: If can you talk about some of those different things that are causing problems in Norway? Jason Dokie: Okay. 00:15:00 Jason Dokie: Yeah, and one of the misinterpretations that I found through my students is that homelessness is a result of drugs or… Juha Kahila: Combining the affordable housing with some kind of support. Jason Dokie: alcohol or, gambling things like a negative outlook versus these are good people. Juha Kahila: So we knew that. Hey the number of homeless people has decreased this much when we offered affordable homes,… Jason Dokie: But times have gotten hard costs have gone up and… Juha Kahila: but when we also add some kind of support did that we can make also a little bit of a difference. Jason Dokie: these good people just can't afford it so I'm glad you said that. Thank you. Juha Kahila: First, it wasn't like a wrap around support services but there was this kind of elements of different kind of support that people got. So that's one of the things why the numbers also in 2012 has been dropping down. And 10, 2007, we started with the 8 housing first in Finland, and of course, since that, the numbers has, Juha Kahila: Has been going down as And there many times when we talk about housing first and ending home, as they send, all these different kind of things. People like to talk about money that. Jason Dokie: Right. Juha Kahila: Hey, but it cost a lot of money, but I always like to say that, hey, in Finland, we make significant things when the economic has been really bad in Finland. So 1990s, really bad. Jason Dokie: Thank… Juha Kahila: Russian in Finland,… Jason Dokie: And to my guys,… Juha Kahila: we start building more affordable housing… Jason Dokie: if you have any questions, anytime, just raise your hand,… Juha Kahila: because we knew we need it 2008,… Jason Dokie: and I'll stop him and then you guys can talk,… Juha Kahila: the global economic event International,… Jason Dokie: They're still trying to wake… Juha Kahila: and we once again,… Jason Dokie: you up. Juha Kahila: we started something completely new in field at the housing first,… Jason Dokie: I hear. No, you appreciate it. Juha Kahila: and that we put a lot of money into that. So I don't think, it's I think it's a question of At the end of the day. Juha Kahila: And in almost our homelessness in Europe, Finland is the only EU contribute non-performance. People has been on decline for let's say many years in a row. This year we got some good news from Denmark as well. because my editing skills are quite limited. I wasn't able to put that on this picture so I just need to say that in Denmark. They were all so able to reduce the number of homeless people for the first time in 15 years or… Jason Dokie: Okay. Juha Kahila: So Denmark is doing something right? And then There's a star as well, because in Scotland, I think even though the number of homeless people is rising, but they have some good practices regarding peer work and how to involve people will be delivered experience into the work. So that's why I want to highlight them as well. Juha Kahila: And then there is no way and Norway was also also one of those countries where the number of homeless people has been going now. because it's not a year countries or so that's why we haven't highlighted that one. But unfortunately from Norway we have heard some quite bad news, regarding the situation at the moment and the numbers will arise quite a bit this year. Unfortunately, regarding different things. Juha Kahila: Yep. Juha Kahila: the main thing is that the rise of the living cost at the moment. and There are in Norway, 90% of the population, they own their homes. So that market is quite not that big. Let's put it that way and when the interest rates have been going up and the cost of living has been going up, people are not able to pay the mortgage. And when there is not enough, affordable rental apartment where people can, move if they can't afford more, that's The situation and sub that, middle class people has been end up being homeless all together. And that is quite difficult situation there. And of course they need to build more affordable, rental housing as well but of course it takes time. So let's see what the next steps in Norway will be. Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Yeah, that is totally true. and yeah, I think in Finland, many people as well think that, if you are a whole message because that you have mental health issues or you are using drugs. but that's not the case you can end up being homeless, for many reasons. And I know it's actually say you say, but I think the recent times have proven that, it can happen to any of us. and when you end up being homeless on the streets or in a shelter on temporary accommodation, I think We can't, know for sure how we connect. And, of course, there is a bigger possibilities that we start using something at some point. So yeah, it may be the end result where if you end up being homeless, but it's usually not the result, why you end up being homes, 00:20:00 Juha Kahila: I try not to be too boring. no worries. And this is just, put it in a visual perspective. What has been a change in Finland so this is the current situation, we have 3,686, almost piece, people, persons and of course, It's not the exact number. We know that for sure but it gives us the trend at least. And of course we always have to remember that I know some people in female they like to say that we have under 4,000 homeless people or we have three thousand six hundred and something. But I want to say the correct number because there is that many different stories behind these numbers. So I think it's important to say the correct number every time Juha Kahila: and then this is the family situations. So we have been able to decrease it by 90%, but the family situation, it's a little bit tricky in Finland because if you are a child under 18, you basically cannot end up on the streets or in a shelter or in a temporary accommodation. Because the child protection law is quite powerful. And if your parents can take care of themselves then the cities and the child protection will take care of the children and they will be somewhere where they can have permanent parents. But before that happens there are many different things that is also services and the support services, try to work with the family and that is the end results in result that may happen. if the family is not able to keep their apartment if there is Some kind of behavior that is not good for the child. Juha Kahila: And long-term homeless. That means that someone has been homeless over a year or many times during a three year period. And then a short-term home basically means that you have been homeless under a year so that can mean that you have been homeless one day, one month or anything under one year. Juha Kahila: This takes forever but that is the Goal in Finland by the end of 2027, we wouldn't have any homeless people. And let's see. I know that's a ambitious call, but if we keep working like we have Since 2007, I think there is a possibility that we can achieve that goal. And what does ending homelessness really mean is that Juha Kahila: We don't believe that there wouldn't be any homeless people anytime in Finland. that's not how world unfortunately works. But in our perspective, that means that at any given time in Finland,… Jason Dokie: The… Juha Kahila: there should be maximum 100 people in shelters or… Jason Dokie: if I read correctly in the book from… Juha Kahila: temporary accommodation. Jason Dokie: why Foundation a home of your own originally,… Juha Kahila: But no one would be sleeping on the streets. So 100 people in a shelter or… Jason Dokie: you guys had started off with converting the shelters into communal type facilities,… Juha Kahila: temporary Congress and I think even time and they should be moved into permanent housing within a month of entering the shelter. Jason Dokie: You had various rooms and they had to share the kitchen and… Juha Kahila: So that's our vision of ending. Jason Dokie: bathroom and things like that. Is that correct? Juha Kahila: This. But the city of Fails think they have even more rampages,… Jason Dokie: Okay, good. Juha Kahila: called their plan is to end homeless,… Jason Dokie: What's taking away from you? Juha Kahila: despite the end of 202 So, two years from now, welcome to City of Helsinki there where there will be no homeless people but the reality is that City of Helsinki has been doing incredible job and if they keep doing what they are doing, I believe they can actually achieve that goal. Juha Kahila: so they have really good program regarding the goal and more than happy to say it when I can, it's not public yet. but I've seen it. but Ambitious calls. And then hopefully at some point you are able to come to see where we are at the work and then you can point me that hey you didn't do what you promised that. Hey, You delivered what you said? But let's see. so housing first in Finland, it was created 2007 in Finland, and then The housing minister back then, mysterion Vapa warehouse from the National Coalition Party. It's a financially on the right side so they are really strict that, there should be Juha Kahila: Global taxis for rich people and those kind of things and we should cut the source of benefits and those kind of things, But he got fed up with the homelessness system that we had. He said that, how can it be that in a modern society? We cannot house people but they have to be on a shelter or back then on the streets. So, he appointed this group of four wise, it was called back then. And that, the four wise came back with a report, which is called Name on the Door and that is basically the framework for the Phoenix, Housing, first model, and after they had made the report, Google that, housing first in Phoenix is awesome, toy engine. So that Google first ascent and then take It could be something like housing first and then they found something very small. 00:25:00 Juha Kahila: But they didn't know about it when they did your own models, which I think is a good thing. Because the Phoenix Housing first model, it takes advantage of the finished benefit system and the Phoenix Society. And tomorrow we have here and so we haven't copied any of those things from the US model. But then again there are very, very many similar, Things the principles, like the harm reduction, and the support, and the permanent housing, and things. But there is also things that are quite different. And I try to highlight them here. but it all begins from the normality aspect that people have their own permanent rental contract, they used the same social services and health services as anyone else, but of course, they have a support worker who will work by them. Juha Kahila: The support has to be always adequate and then because one size not fit for all and all the people have different needs. so I think it's important that we make sure that the support will meet the people's needs and that's important as well. And then here is I think the main difference is that We have apartment in scattered housing so it's got that housing is the individual apartments around the cities and then the usually mean home visits on or then people can meet their support worker in different offices or just having a cup of coffee somewhere or different kind of things. But then we also have this supported housing first units which I will also show some pictures and explain them a little bit more later on. And of course, yeah sorry. Juha Kahila: Yes, I will share that story in a bit, good question. Yeah, no worries. And of course, it helps if you can find a common political will. And of course, we are kind of lucky that, it was the housing minister young upper water from the national college and part because when the minister Who part is financing on the right side. Comes to. Explain other political part that, Hey, I have this kind of plan that we need to do that. we have to start this housing first, and we need to go all in. We don't want to start the small pilot project, but We want to try and… Jason Dokie: That's because you guys spread it out. Juha Kahila: if this will really work and… Jason Dokie: Is that correct? Instead of putting all the affordable housing in one section,… Juha Kahila: feel that. So it was quite easy to get the other political parties to agree with that,… Jason Dokie: you put the affordable housing. Juha Kahila: that we need to change the system. And then back then,… Jason Dokie: You said these apartments here on the left side and… Juha Kahila: I think the ending homelessness,… Jason Dokie: right side of the yellow stripe. Juha Kahila: and housing first is probably,… Jason Dokie: Those are 500 to 600,000 euros to buy Wow. Juha Kahila: the only thing that, the political party is actually at the moment for sure. Jason Dokie: Okay, and… Juha Kahila: But yeah,… Jason Dokie: if I love… Juha Kahila: it's important not necessity,… Jason Dokie: what we looked it up,… Juha Kahila: but it's important and… Jason Dokie: was it 0.94 euros per dollars? Juha Kahila: it will help Of course, So we have to housing options,… Jason Dokie: That was So it's basically almost 500-600,000 just to buy one of those apartments. Juha Kahila: so these individual apartments or homes in scattered housing, then the housing first units. Jason Dokie: The Y Foundation owns the yellow section is that correct? Juha Kahila: And then we have this new so called hybrid model. And I,… Juha Kahila: I will share you the pictures and the Overall view of these. Jason Dokie: And you read and… Jason Dokie: you can't buy those. You can only rent them. Jason Dokie: Is that correct? Juha Kahila: Now, or Jason Dokie: And that's 800 euros a month. Is that correct? Juha Kahila: But this has been the change For example, regarding the housing options for homeless persons. Jason Dokie: All right. Thank you. Juha Kahila: So, as you can see, in 1985, we had over 2,000 shelter beds and now the number is 200. Juha Kahila: Then the number of supported housing which means independent apartments in the housing first unit, it has gone up quite a bit as well as the independent rental apartment. So we have been able to move from the shelters and temporary accommodations into permanent solutions for people which helps. And, of course, the number of social housing apartments, which means affordable housing The number has been getting people bigger and of course, social housing and affordable, housing is the best structural element to prevent homelessness, all to get there and of course, to house the current homeless people. So I think that place a big role as well. So this is a picture a new neighborhood in the city of Helsinkiatkesari nearby, the city center on a seaside and the building with the yellow stripe. These were the things that we knew. so, a person I think Who stays in a hostel or temporary? Accommodation is still homeless. They don't have permanent home. And then in a shelter of privacy, can be very limited. There are usually many pets in the same room, you probably don't know. All the people who are in the same room. It's not too safe to be there. You need to take care of your stuff that nobody robs you and those kind of things. Happen in the shelters in Helsink. 00:30:00 Juha Kahila: Built by us, ation. And there is 65 apartments there. And then, there is two, former homeless, people living there as well. And then, of course, nobody in the neighborhood knows that there is for my homeless, people living there as well, because that's something we don't want to highlight here, so that people wouldn't get stick but ice from the get-go. So, there are few former homeless, people living there. And I want to highlight this area because these are really expensive neighborhood. And the other building, they are owner occupied, which means that people own the apartment and the doplex around 50 square meters. In those buildings can cost anything between five to six hundred thousand euros, which is a really, really expensive. And then there is our building and the duplex 50 square meters. The rent is around 800 euros. but this has been also a good way to do avoid Of course, some of the neighborhoods. they were against these renovations and they thought that it will bring more violence and more troubles to the streets and we always saw that things a little bit differently because we think that hate these people are already here and if we offer a permanent homes for them, wouldn't it be? they don't have any reasons to be on the streets because from the shelter you need to leave nine o'clock in the morning and then you can come back, five o'clock in the afternoon and so there is eight hours time gap and you have to spend that eight hours somewhere and usually where people spend it, it's nearby on the streets. So, we knew that, when we renovate the whole hostess and shelters that, the public safety feel actually increase and that also what's happened, but I will talk about that a little bit later. Juha Kahila: But I like to use example here, the Salvation Army. They had the biggest shelter in Helsinki, and in the whole northern Europe and then on the peak time there was 400 or 500 that places. And I know you have read all about it from the book of your own. This kind of areas where we only have affordable, social housing apartments, and low-income people. But we have the social mix and social integration where people regarding of their income levels or status. They live in the same neighborhood, they shared the same playground with their children and get to know each other and we have found this a really, really good solution regarding that. And then not the moment in the city of Helen. Whenever there's a new living area coming up at least, 20% has to be affordable housing. And then I think that is something that, we need to keep doing in the future and I hope that that many other cities World Wild will also but when they started renovation, there was 250 places and the support was non-existence there was basically only cards. Saying that, who can come in, who are not allowed today because something they have done, in the recent nights. And then, of course, if there was some kind of violence situations, they could throw people out and call the police and these kind of things. But people didn't get any kind of support, I would say, do something similar and that because as I think you may have heard that,… Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: And at the city of Fairless entity went,… Juha Kahila: in Sweden,… Juha Kahila: they started,… Juha Kahila: the situation is a little bit different than there is this. Juha Kahila: when we started the housing first, the city of Helisk Cave,… Juha Kahila: This so called jonesfair police or… Juha Kahila: gave Salvation Army, two options. Juha Kahila: ambulance won't go… Juha Kahila: Basically, Hey,… Juha Kahila: because there is so much violence and… Juha Kahila: you can keep doing shelter thing… Juha Kahila: and all these kind of things. Juha Kahila: but just for you,… Juha Kahila: But we have been fortunate enough… Juha Kahila: that we won't buy any new. Juha Kahila: because of this city planning that,… Juha Kahila: We won't buy any services from you in the future… Juha Kahila: those things doesn't happen in Finland and… Juha Kahila: if you keep doing that… Juha Kahila: we don't have those kind of areas in helsing, because we want to move on to housing first. So, that was a stick. And then the carrot was that, the state grants for the renovation of was 50%. Because, of course, it's not cheap to renovate the existing shelters into individual apartments, and it needed money, and then the state granted 50% of the money for the renovation. So that was the carrot. Exactly. Yeah. And that it was a long discussion with the Salvation Army and it took almost year and a half. Because as you may know, Salvation Army is quite old-fashioned organization in many countries. And then for them, it was unheard that, someone could drink in apartment that they own or someone could actually use drugs in the premises that they own. Yes, the yellow building. So it wasn't an easy situation for them, but at the end of the day, there was a couple of, quite innovative leaders in Salvation Army Yes. Correct. Yeah, of… Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: Army in the Phoenix. depending on the size of the apartment, but more or… Juha Kahila: Phoenix part and… Juha Kahila: Anti-convinced all the other authors in the Salvation Army board. Juha Kahila: Yeah. Juha Kahila: This is something that we need to do. And we want to show the past the others as well. And now, Salvation Army is one of the most innovative service providers in the whole sector. So I think that's quite a pick, a team. And from them and salvation, armies around the club are actually visiting them to see how they change their system and see if they could, do something similar in their own cities and countries as well. So, like you already mentioned that we did the shelter renovation and that was the beginning of the housing first. So we knew that if we start housing first, We need to get rid of most of the shelters and temporary accommodations because at the end of the day, they don't end homelessness. They only manage homelessness. And that's wasn't something that we were too keen to continue. We want to end homelessness. So this is because when we talk about shelters, what we have learned in Finland and there are many examples from around the world that, when we have the temporary accommodations and shelters, the temporary, you usually becomes quite permanent. So this was a shelter in Helsinki, which was found in 1987. Juha Kahila: Juha Kahila: And then it was the state of the art shelter back in the days 1987 because there was a fridge on the room so people in they didn't have to hang the food from the windows and those kind of things. But what happened that this was supposed to be only for a couple of years. And it was closed down in 2009. So this kind of temporary shall lose some became quite permanent and it cost a lot of money. And actually it prevented many people exiting from the whole business because they had this place. So that's why we always try to say that at Avoiding the short-term temperature solutions is usually the best way to do it. Jason Dokie: Juha Kahila: And this is one of the old shelters in the city of Vespa half an hour from Helsinki. And that it used to look like this 45 bed places, usually four to six people. In the same room, only mattresses and then locker for people. No support basically just cards. Keeping an eye that there is no violence in the rooms. And then here we did the renovation. And now it looks like this. 00:35:00 Jason Dokie: Juha Kahila: So it looks like a normal house house. And now, there is 33 individual apartments for homeless people. They have their own rental contract for unlimited time and there is a support on site downstairs 24/7. Offered by Salvation Army, if needed. And I think this is a good example that, if you work by this house, you wouldn't guess Hey, that must be a building for a formal homeless. People, it's look like any building in this area or neighbor. Juha Kahila: Hood and there are different kind of work activities here as well. For people if they want to take parts of, for example, they clean the building by themselves. They do a little bit of the maintenance work by themselves. They do the neighborhood grounds, which means that they can collect the traces from the environment of the neighborhood. And then, there is also private companies. That now, Christmas is coming. So there's a lot of all kind of, decorations that needs to be done. So companies also ordered those things from the unit and that people can take part in this work activities and of course, when they take part, they also get paid when they do it. So it's also a good way to do harm reduction work in that sense that for many people in the morning, there can be a question that should I open the portal or Should I go to I go to work because I get some extra money. So that's proven to be quite a good combination support work. And then of course, the permanent home is the foundation. Jason Dokie: Okay. Juha Kahila: And this is normal studio apartments, there is no bathroom kitchen. and feature run. And then you can buy by the furniture by yourself because it's your home. So that's why we don't want to have furniture there already. so if people don't have money, it's also services they can claim. Little benefits of people can buy by the furniture by themself and usually people buy second hand, or of course, Ikea is quite inexpensive nowadays. So those kind of places and this is Del Pikachu cell. That the biggest shelter in northern Europe back in the days and now it looks like this. So there is 81. Juha Kahila: Independent apartments and once again the services organized by the Salvation Army and then it blends into the neighborhood perfectly because the whole neighborhood looks more or less like this. And then it's funny that every now and then there is new neighbors moving in close by the building and They're going to be some challenges from time to time and then the neighbors go to complain that. Hey why can't you go somewhere else? And then the people working in the unit technology but hey, we've been here since 19. 1936. Where were you then? Jason Dokie: Yeah. Juha Kahila: So we have been here for much longer than any of the other buildings. but, Exactly,… Jason Dokie: New guy, trying to take over. Juha Kahila: But that's not going to happen. It's a foundation for the Salvation Army and it's the finished headquarters there as well. Jason Dokie: You have got a question real… Juha Kahila: And this is one of the Yeah. Jason Dokie: And have you found that due to the housing first model that people who were used in drugs or alcohol? Have you seen a change in them and they just don't want to do that anymore and they want to live life better? Juha Kahila: that is a good question. and yeah, we have seen change. And then, what usually happens is that when people get the home at first is that, if they are drinking, they will drink for the first two weeks, quite heavily because they have safe place to do it. And they will do it more or less or if they are using drugs, the first two weeks, they will use more drugs than ever basically. But after that period of time we start to see something change. Of course, people will still use and still Juha Kahila: that change will not happen over two weeks period, or over a few months, or sometimes. Never. But more and more people when there is this, especially in the units where the support is attached to the apartment in a way that, it's easy access to the services. And if you have any kind of questions regarding your use using any other things, it's easy to go downstairs and ask help or support. Jason Dokie: Yes. Juha Kahila: And then, like I said at that's with the support and then the work possibilities for people to give them something meaningful to do during the day times. I think that combination has made a different. Like I said, many people will have in the morning. The option to, use it. You start drugs or drink, alcohol or go to work. So, there is always this, they can make choice of their own. And when people are allowed to make that choice for them, I think usually that will lead in the quite good results regarding that. they have the home, they have the support, but then also give meaning to the everyday life. 00:40:00 Juha Kahila: And then it feel that you are part of the society and I'm doing something with my time. It can make different or it can change the behavior of the people, but it takes time. It's not a magic trick. And like I said, it can take six months, two years and for some people, they will, keep using drugs or drink alcohol for the rest of their lives and that can happen. But I think the important thing here is that they have Almost their own and the support is there. For them. And, different kind of harm reduction to make sure for example that they use clean, needless, that is really important. so that for example, different kind of infections or HIV won't spread out, and then yeah, it's kind of things. Juha Kahila: it's Small steps and make sure that the support is there and then combine the work elements. I think you can end up having quite good results. but for example, here in Finland, we had a big news story in the biggest newspaper of Finland. I think it was yesterday recording The situation in the city of Portland in us. And I think, what the Finnish press has misunderstood there as well was when they were talking about housing first, they were only talking about housing, but with housing first thing, they need to be the support element as well because if it's only housing, then it's housing, only and housing only doesn't work. You need to have the wrapper art support services for people as well. And yeah, I don't know, I just, went or lose with your question but I hope I answered some of it. Jason Dokie: Can you answer it? Thank you. Yeah. In one of the things that we had read about was There's no prerequisite to go into the housing. Juha Kahila: Yeah. Jason Dokie: If you're on drugs or alcohol, you're still allowed to go in there, correct. Juha Kahila: No. Yes, yes. and of course, in your own home, you are allowed to use drug. Even it is illegal in Finland to use drugs, but if you do it in your own apartment, you're not bothering the neighbors or not doing too much harm to yourself, then you do it. and that's how it goes in every form of housing as well. For example, people living owning their own apartments, take a new structs in their apartments if they want. Juha Kahila: So in that sense, I said, normally normality is one of the key aspect of the Phoenix Housing, first model, and it applies here as well as well. And of course, the goal is to try to do the harm reduction work so that people would use less end completely, but that's not always the case. and we need to make sure that, they use as safely as possible and Take part, even our week, the work activities or something else. So that They can. At some point. Feel what it would feel like to work for example, Jason Dokie: Thank you. Juha Kahila: And it's one of the studio apartment. It's belongs to older lady called, we has been living here since the opening. So 11 years and then two year doesn't need any support anymore. And then we elect Also many visitors that we have. We usually take them into this building and we want her apartment because it's so proud of it. And then he has a guest book where people will sign that autograph and those kind of things. And then when we explain her story and doesn't need support anymore. Many people asked, But hey, and why are you still living here in this ousing? First unit? And we always sort the keys that hey it's my home. Why would I want to move anywhere? and even though she doesn't need the support. But before she move into her own apartments, he had been street homeless for many years. Juha Kahila: And she still needs to have that security during the night that if something would happen, there is someone downstairs that could help her, even though nothing will happen because it's her own home and those not cool. No one can end there it but she needs to have that security sense. in our head that if something happens, I will have access to support as soon as possible. but yeah, like I said, even though if you don't need the support experiment, housing you have your own rental agreement. For unlimited time but the reality is that when people don't need to support anymore and they start to work for example, or something like that, they tend to move out to some other solutions by themselves. 00:45:00 Juha Kahila: And this is the new hybrid model that we have. Is in the city of yarrama, 45 minutes from Hellsinki and it's a new way of doing things and why foundation? So we have built the whole complex and the one with the black science says Rental that's normal affordable, social housing And then there is the small supported First Unit, 20 apartments, And then there's today center, which is open for the whole neighborhood. the data center has been a game changer in a way that it has become more or l